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DavidS90D
DavidS90D Mar 1 '16
Tesla Model S har været på markedet i flere år.

Alligevel er bilens termiske systemer til opvarmning og køling af kabine samt batteri blandt nogle af Tesla´s kryptiske konstruktioner.

Der findes en del patenter der beskriver systemer Tesla kunne anvende.

Hvordan det termiske system faktisk er sammensat er dog svært at finde tegninger på og beskrivelser af.

Her er et link som netop også stiller flere spørgsmål end der kommer svar:

http://www.hybridcars.com/improving-an-evs-cabin-heating-system/


Findes der gældende tegninger og beskrivelser på nettet ?

PEB
PEB Mar 1 '16
Her er noget om det.

http://www.hybridcars.com/...abin-heating-system/


Is there any waste heat floating around in a BEV that could be used for cabin heating?

Yes there is. It is waste heat from the electronics and from the traction motor.


Tesla has a patent on just such a system. The schematic from the patent describing the system is shown below.


http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Slide11.jpg


Tesla patent shows waste heat from the drive motor and electronics being used to heat the cabin.

A simplified version is shown below.


Simplified version of patent schematic.


Simplified version of patent schematic.

The patent shows four separate cooling loops. The top cooling loop is a glycol loop that cools the drive motor and electronics. In hot weather this loop just rejects heat to ambient from a radiator in the front of the car.

The cooling loop right below the electronics cooling loop is the cabin heating and cooling loop. This glycol loop can cool the car via the refrigerant loop (shown below the cabin loop) or in heating mode the cabin cooling loop uses a resistive element for heating.

The ingenious part is that the motor/electronics loop can communicate with the cabin heating loop via some flow control valves. With the two loops connected, waste heat from the motor and electronics can be used to heat the cabin with the resistive heating element used as a second source of heat. Scavenging the waste heat lowers the load on the battery and increases range.

A simplified version of the Tesla patent in “waste heat cabin heating mode” is presented in the figure below.


http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Slide31.jpg


Simplified schematic showing cabin heating using waste heat from the drive motor and electronics.

Could this patent be what is used in the production Tesla Model S?

We don’t have positive information from Tesla itself, however based the following write up in the Tesla Motor Club it appears that this patent probably is used in the production Model S.

Insert blockquote:

The Model S cabin heater has two (hidden) modes. If the drive train is cold, all heat comes via resistive heaters, which can draw up to about 6 kW. That’s a lot of power.

As you drive the car, the drive train will naturally heat up. Once that happens, Model S uses the drive train coolant to help heat the cabin. Essentially it takes waste heat from the motor and inverter and uses that to heat the cabin. This makes a huge difference to the power consumption – a fully warmed-up car will only need 1-2 kW to keep the cabin warm even in extreme cold conditions. In comparison, the original Tesla Roadster needs 4 kW to keep its tiny cabin not-terribly-warm using only resistive heaters. This is a big advantage of Model S engineering that Tesla never talks about!”

The upshot here is that cabin heater power consumption gets better quite dramatically after you’ve been driving for a while.

No Heat Pump?

Let’s look at a simplified sketch of the Refrigerant loop in the Tesla patent.



http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Slide41.jpg

Simplified schematic of the Tesla patent Refrigerant cooling loop shows no heating mode.

There are no reversing valves shown in the Tesla patent. Also there are to expansion bypass valves shown in the patent.

Therefore, there is no heating mode in the Refrigerant loop.


That’s the patent but does the Model S incorporate a heat pump in production?

Again we have no direct information from Tesla but all indications from Google search suggest that there are no reversing valves and therefore no heating mode for the refrigeration system in the model S.




DavidS90D
DavidS90D Mar 1 '16
@PEB - Ja, det er også det link jeg henviser til i mit første indlæg, og det Raymond kom med.

Men der står netop at det er Tesla´s patenter, ikke at det nødvendigvis anvendes i TMS.

PEB
PEB Mar 1 '16

Citat fra DavidS90D @PEB - Ja, det er også det link jeg henviser til i mit første indlæg, og det Raymond kom med.



Dohh, det er det da også. Nå, det må være fordi det ikke virker at trykke på dit link at jeg ikke opdagede det. :-)